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October 18, 2008

Running Out of Time

In McCain’s radio address today he made the following comments:

“You see, [Obama] believes in redistributing wealth, not in policies that help us all make more of it. Joe, in his plainspoken way, said this sounded a lot like socialism,” McCain said Saturday.

McCain also said in his radio address, “At least in Europe, the socialist leaders who so admire my opponent are up front about their objectives. They use real numbers and honest language. And we should demand equal candor from Sen. Obama. Raising taxes on some in order to give checks to others is not a tax cut; it’s just another government giveaway.”

Pressed on whether he considered Obama a socialist, McCain shrugged and said, “I don’t know.”

Obama responded:

“John McCain is so out of touch with the struggles you are facing that he must be the first politician in history to call a tax cut for working people ‘welfare,’ ” Obama told a massive crowd under the famous St. Louis arch. “The only ‘welfare’ in this campaign is John McCain’s plan to give another $200 billion in tax cuts to the wealthiest corporations in America.” Watch large crowds rally for Obama »

“George Bush and John McCain are out of ideas, they are out of touch, and if you stand with me, in 17 days they’ll be out of time,” Obama added to wild applause.

I am inclined to agree that with a campaign like McCain’s that is out of ideas, behind in the polls, not just CNN’s, and running out of time they are going to make all kinds of wild accusations, because that is all they have left.

John McCain and Sarah Palin are now following the basic tenets of McCarthyism given they do not have a real argument as to why anyone should vote for them.

McCarthyism according to Webster’s Dictionary:

: a mid-20th century political attitude characterized chiefly by opposition to elements held to be subversive and by the use of tactics involving personal attacks on individuals by means of widely publicized indiscriminate allegations especially on the basis of unsubstantiated charges ; broadly : defamation of character or reputation through McCarthyite tactics.

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  1. According to Adam Smith’s theory of capitalism, capital tends to accumulate at the top– the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. In order to maintain a healthy economy (and society), progressive taxation is necessary in order to keep money cycling. In other words, the rich need to pay more taxes than the poor to keep the system healthy. This is but one of the things Smith said the market cannot do, which government must do. Others include maintaining public education and infrastructure.

    These days a lot of Americans think of those things as socialism, but it’s good old capitalism as described by Adam Smith in 1776. That’s not “liberalism”– it’s common sense.

    Comment by Phani — October 19, 2008 @ 12:13 am

  2. It is obvious that the people who are parroting the ‘socialist’ mantra have absolutely no idea what socialism is, and why it is ‘bad’. They just know that it is ‘bad’, and therefore anyone called a socialist must, therefore, be ‘bad’. Sounds an awful lot like McCarthyism, doesn’t it?

    Socialism is essentially based upon 4 beliefs – that the individual is less important than society, that the public owns property (not individuals), that the government plans the economy (no free market), and that all citizens should have the same level of prosperity.

    It is this last idea that people are latching on to and calling it ‘socialism’. They completely ignore the fact that we just saw the nationalization of a number of large financial institutions, and McCain is proposing ‘public ownership’ of mortgages. That sounds socialist too, doesn’t it?

    ‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,’ it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.’

    ‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

    ‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master – that’s all.’

    Comment by Dean — October 19, 2008 @ 12:46 am

  3. Top 10% Wealthy benefit from Government Socialism while the 90% Middle Class abide by Capitalism – Trickle Down Pyramid Scheme = PONZIE

    In actuality, it is the Middle Class that has carried the weight and burden of the taxes while the wealthiest have actually had little tax while being able to outsource American jobs without penalty.

    Looks like Joe the Plumber a former registered “Natural Law” party, current Republican is really not a plumber but a single dad making 40k who’s former boss makes approx. 178k . Both of whom would benefit under Obama/Biden’s tax break.Thanks for coming clean Joe.

    Poster boy of Right Wing radio talk, Joe Wurzelbacher had no intentions of buying a fictitious plumbing business he claims to be considering. Instead, he actually owes 1,200 in taxes. He was like many who are ignorant in the belief that money from the top wealthiest US CEO will tickle down eventually to the Middle Class was quoted as saying “why would you penalize someone who is rich..” Obama’s tax plan would only let the tax break for those making over 250k expire.

    Personally, I think we should make the wealthy CEOs start carrying their own weight in this country like the rest of us with fair tax ratio to income. Make it Fair – Pay your share!

    Comment by Republican Alternative — October 19, 2008 @ 1:03 am

  4. In capitalism, the rich get rich if they keep doing the things that made them rich in the first place. The poor remain poor if they do likewise. In capitalism, work is rewarded. In Socialism (and not just Obama’s brand of Socialism, but McCain’s too – both of them voted for the bailout for instance), you are rewarded for doing nothing. That is an unsustainable concept for a government. That’s why I’ve switched over to the Libertarians.

    Comment by Donald Duck — October 19, 2008 @ 1:20 am

  5. France, Germany, U.K., Norway… do you want me to keep going with more countries that have very, very successful socialist medicine programs? I can.
    These countries never slid into Communism, as what the Mccain followers will have you believe. These people have no real clue what the hell they are ever talking about… I chalk them up to conspiracy theorists. Afterall, these are the same people that are struggling to believe whether or not Obama is tied to his Christian pastor Jeremiah Wright, or if he is Musilm…

    Comment by Daniel — October 19, 2008 @ 1:47 am

  6. I find it interesting that McCain accuses Obama of socialism when he supported the “bailout” which now means that we are on the way to nationalizing the banks AND he came up with the idea of the government buying peoples’ mortgages!! How is that any different? He wants to artificially support housing prices using taxpayer money. BOTH PARTIES ARE SUPPORTING SOCIALIST AGENDAS, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT REPUBICANS WANT TO SOCIALIZE LOSSES AND PRIVATIZE PROFITS AND DEMOCRATS JUST WANT TO SOCIALIZE EVERYTHING. BOTH PLANS SUCK.

    Comment by Josh — October 19, 2008 @ 1:58 am

  7. When the Middle Class all die off… where is the consumer base going to be for Mccain’s aristocracy and wealthy elite he wants to save?
    Oh wait… Bush wanted everyone to be washed out to sea when Katrina struck New Orleans… that’s Republican strategy.

    Comment by NoMccain — October 19, 2008 @ 2:48 am

  8. Mccrazy is invoking Mcarthyism by spouting the term “socialism” as if it is “communism,” and dumb people all over the country are buying into it lock-stock and barrel. He’s a fear-monger primarily because he doesn’t know what Obama really wants to do. While Mccain struggles to understand Obama’s plan, Obama was reinforcing the premise of his plan to 100k people today in St. Louis, reassuring voters that his plan taxes the rich, and gives it to us… for medical expenses. That’s what this is all about… being able to afford medicine. Is that so bad? Don’t we deserve to be able to afford medicine? The choice is clear this year – vote Obama.
    Relax people… vulnerable people hear the scary words Mccain keeps pumping out there to susceptible people, and they are buying it like stupid sheep.

    Comment by Daniel — October 19, 2008 @ 3:04 am

  9. What improves the circumstances of the greater part can never be regarded as an inconveniency to the whole. No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable.

    The Wealth of Nations, Book I Chapter VIII (Adam Smith, poster child of the ‘Free Market’ advocates)

    Comment by Dean — October 19, 2008 @ 3:14 am

  10. MCCain should know the basic law that, Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but in can be transformed from one form to another. Wealth has something to do with energy . Energy is meant to be distributed because without it there is no life.

    Comment by phil — October 19, 2008 @ 3:59 am

  11. Agree with many of you, for sure! Socialism is what we have now, taxes pay for the services needed. What’s out of whack is the bias towards making the rich richer, your tax dollars given to billionaires, defense contractors, lobbyist clients and other elitist insiders. Let’s have a better balance, do something meaningful for that large percentage of us that pay and receive little. Notice McCain’s “spending freeze” doesn’t apply to his buddies in the military–no amount is too much for them.

    Comment by Dave — October 19, 2008 @ 6:17 am

  12. Daniel: “France, Germany, U.K., Norway… do you want me to keep going with more countries that have very, very successful socialist medicine programs? I can.”
    But only their medicine programs are socialist. There is no “redistribution of wealth”.

    Do you know where socialism led Russia and Eastern Europe? I do because I lived through that nightmare. We’ll see who is going to want to do business in the US after Obama starts increasing taxes. And then there will be no rich to pay for others’ “fair” incomes.Maybe it is time people picked up their history books and read a bit more. And if they can come up with one good example of Socialism gone right I will be ready to vote for Obama.

    Comment by Adonix — October 19, 2008 @ 6:27 am

  13. Who doesnt know that Republicans want to keep every last drop of what they have and make more and more and more without end.Thats what got us into this mess with the economy.Rich people who want to make twice as much as they already paid for their house. Wannabe rich people who want to flip every house they move into. Rich developers who want to make tripple what they paid for the land and materials for the homes their selling.Here in phoenix there are these new type of developments called urban living developments. What the developers do is stack houses practically on top of one another.You walk four steps out of your house and your on your neighbor’s doorstep. Absolutely no privacy at all.These developers live by the addage for their patrons that “your home is your prison”, because the only privacy your going to ever have, is inside your house with the window blinds shut.This is the first time i have ever seen these type of developments in the wide open west. But it goes to show how greedy these developers got even when times were better than ever for them. It wasnt enough for them to make more than they ever made before. Capitalism unchecked. Its a shame that Republicans are so disgusting to imply that Obama is trying spread the wealth. When the average American home owner wants to sit on their house that they bought for 120,000 and not accept any less than 240,000. Who is paying for that? The American economy. Renters who have to pay higher rent than they can afford. The buyer of that house who can’t afford a 1600.00 a month mortgage. Tell me that poor people steal from the rich. It’s more like the other way around.Rich people have stolen from me.Greedy americans have stolen from the American economy.

    Posted by: masonite | October 18, 2008 at 08:07 PM

    Comment by masonite — October 19, 2008 @ 8:04 am

  14. McCain/Palin wouldn’t know a socialist if one stood in front of them and told them they were. But McCain knows Reaganomics and Deregulation which he voted for 90-95% of the time under Reagan and the Bush presidents…..History/The Issue/Fact—REAGAN-$200B deficit plus Savings and Loan Scandal; Bush1-$300B deficit plus Gulf War; Bush2-$480B deficit plus use of $200B Clinton Surplus plus stimulus package plus 700B Wall Street Bailout that = Trickle-job eliminations-job loss-Wall Street crashes-ups and downs-massive foreclosures-bank failures-individual and corporate bankruptcies-failed economic domestic and international policies!!

    Comment by The Real Issue — October 19, 2008 @ 11:50 am

  15. My fellow Americans….let’s look at the Republican Record
    …Coolidge/Hoover–“Laissez Fare Economics = 1929 Wall Street Crash and THE GREAT DEPRESSION
    …Reagan/Bush1/Bush2/McCain–Reaganomics-Deregulation-Savings and Loan Scandal (Reagan Administration)–Keating 5 (McCain, one of the infamous Keating 5–Federal Congressional Report cited for McCain for “Poor Judgement” in his involvement within the investigative process); Record deficits–Reagan/Bush1/Bush2 with 90-95% vote from McCain. THESE ARE THE FACTS, RECORDS AND THE REAL ISSUES AMERICANS!!!!

    Comment by The Real Issue — October 19, 2008 @ 11:56 am

  16. To Senator McCain and my fellow Americans (Republicans and Democrats)


    I have a lot of respect for you and what you have stood for while working in the Senate for many years. I saw the last debate and I agree with you. Who cares about some “Washed Up terrorist”.

    But I wonder, perhaps you really do care, because your campaign is telephone calling Americans with an Ayer’s message. Senator, most Americans could care less about Ayers and most don’t even know him. Many do not even have land-line phones and if they do, they very seldom use them or listen to voice messages. This is a new day and cell phones rule. Also Senator, it’s about the REAL ISSUES AND THEY ARE GREEN…

    The $5,000 TAX CREDIT THAT YOU PROPOSE DOES NOT PAY THE HEALTH BILL…YOUR 90-95% voting support for failed George W. Bush economic plans are what people remember…YOUR “SWIFTBOAT TACTICS” about Ayers reelected President Bush, who will have the distinction of being the worse U.S. President ever. Even you said “Im not George Bush”.

    Americans are more intelligent than following the negative advertisements that are being sent. Don’t waste your time and money, place your real agenda with full economic, domestic and international policy on the table if you have one that will help MAINSTREET AMERICANS!!!

    Comment by The Real Issue — October 19, 2008 @ 12:13 pm

  17. The biggest implementers of SOCIALISM is the current BUSH/CHENEY administration who are nationalizing the banking system. They’re taking all our money and giving it to the banks. McCain is allied with Bush and if president, he’s going to need every Republican ally he can get. Go figure that thery’re trying to label Obama/Biden socialist. God bless and wake up, America.

    Comment by Barbara — October 19, 2008 @ 1:27 pm

  18. What does it mean $150’000,000 in contributions for Barack Hussein Obama’s campaign during the September month.

    -Either there’s not such a deep economic set back in this nation or
    contrary to mrs.Obama and Jesse Jackson claim, there is not so much racism . Which of the two Leftists?
    In fact the trend that this people want to impose in this country is very dangerous; we’re in the path to dictatorship. If One honestly opposes mr.Obama’s(read Pelosi/Reid’s extreme leftists conceptions) One is a RACIST and of course is the duty of every African American to vote mr.Obama. We, the rest of the peoples of this country, have no other choice. Some people think that this country could be thrown into the communist/socialist patterns of doing away with FREE CHOICE and that we are going to accept substitution of free election with “coronations”. Don’t push your luck with ideas strange to the George Washington and Alexander Hamilton conceptions. We’re Occidental and do not need to copy the way of life, much less going back to the past that brought two world wars in Europe i.e. political dictatorships based on extremists ideas(communism or fascism).
    John McCain is a Great Man.- Bill Clinton
    HONOR: President Clinton
    VOTE: McCain

    Comment by Hercules Mulligan — October 19, 2008 @ 1:46 pm

  19. It’s Obama who is out of touch> He seems to have no idea about how raising taxes will kill this country. Spreading the wealth has never worked. Hand outs don’t give incentive to folks to get up and do something. Obama’s health care is bogus. Even CNN says so in it’s fact check. What drives this Obama frenzy? And with all the talk on the Bradley affect, why won’t people acknowledge that blacks are less likely to devide with their race than whites?

    Comment by sam — October 19, 2008 @ 3:30 pm

  20. I want Sarah Palin, who made a point of speaking out about Obama’s bitter guns and religion mistake even at the convention, to tell America where these non-pro-American pockets are to which she is referring. I want her to name a city or town where these people reside. The media jumped, no pounced all over Obama when he said what he said, but they are virtually dismissing and ignoring what Palin said. What’s up with that? I want as much attention paid to that bonehead statement as was visited upon the Democrats by Obama’s statement. Why does she get off scott-free from the media by saying something that isn’t true and Obama didn’t. Unless and until they attack her like they attacked Obama, I see racism in the media.

    Comment by Redphilly — October 19, 2008 @ 4:39 pm

  21. When John McCain and Sarah Palin imply that Barack Obama is a socialist, he does nothing but demonstrate his own ignorance. Even Adam Smith, author of “Wealth of Nations”, points out that the rich should pay higher taxes in order to “cycle” the economic wealth downward, and avoid the kind of rich aristocracy that existed in Europe in the 18th and 19th century. This is a fundamental economic process which doesn’t occur to the simple minded Republican candidates. If, by some chance, McCain does know what real socialism is, then he is guilty of using an irresponsible scare tactic to mislead voters. I used to respect this man, but his true nature has come out in this campaign.

    Comment by johnrj08 — October 19, 2008 @ 4:47 pm

  22. Obama’s tax plan is not socialist any more than Clinton’s was. He is not going to take money from the rich and give handouts to people who are too lazy to work. Where are you all getting that? It is letting the middle class working families keep more of what they earn, and taxing the highest incomes more. It seems logical given the wage stagnation of middle incomes and out of control salary increases at the high end. Given that Reaganomics has failed, it seems logical to shift things a little. How bout a little trickle up economics? The alternative is a slow shift to the feudal system. That is what America should be fearing. America is ready to go back to the CLinton tax structure and balance the budget. Bush is a failure and so is trickle-down economics.

    Comment by James Parsons — October 19, 2008 @ 10:42 pm

  23. More lies from McCain and Palin, since nothing worked so far.

    Just a small take on Obama’s terrorist affiliations …

    “Obama is Palling around with terrorosts”– A message from McCain to American IDIOTS!!

    If anybody understands the meaning of a ‘pal’, that person does not need a whole lot of brain to understand that the above message from McCain is a HUGE and UGLY LIE.

    All idiots out there, including Sarah Palin, I have attached theorigin and meaning of the word ‘Pal’. John McCain and his cronies are telling you idiots all lies about a pal, and are trying to make you believe that Obama’s pals are terrorists.

    [Romany phral, phal, from Sanskrit bhr t , bhr tr-, brother; see bhr ter- in Indo-European roots.]
    Word History: Pal, like buddy and chum, has an informal, thoroughly “American” ring to it. Its source, though, is rather unusual Romany, the Indic language of the Gypsies. First recorded in English in the 17th century, pal was borrowed from a Romany word meaning “brother, comrade,” which occurs as phal in the Romany spoken in England and phral in the Romany spoken in Europe. Gypsies speak an Indic language because they originally migrated to Europe from the border region between Iran and India. In other Indic languages we find related words meaning “brother,” such as Hindustani bh i and Prakrit bh da or bh y ; they all come from Sanskrit bhr t , which in turn traces its ancestry to the same Indo-European word that our word brother does.

    Noun 1. pal – a close friend who accompanies his buddies in their activities
    buddy, chum, crony, sidekick, brother
    cobber – Australian term for a pal
    friend – a person you know well and regard with affection and trust; “he was my best friend at the university”

    Anybody having a ‘Pal’ should know that you do some or all of the folloing with the pal:

    1. play together
    2. eat/dine together
    3. watch movies together
    4. watch sports or other interesting events on TV or in arenas together
    5. get together for family events and celebrations
    6. participate in kids events like sports, school activities, etc., together
    7. participate in community (church, etc.) activities together
    8. vacation together

    The list goes on and on that we do ‘TOGETHER’ with our pals. Pals are next to our close family members in terms of our asspciations.

    American people who are not idiots, and who are not Republican cronies, should challenge McCain about the truthfulness of his assertion that ‘Obama has been palling around with terrorists’, in particular, with Bill Ayers, on the light of the true meaning of a ‘pal’ in the context of our social norms. If Obama has not done any of the above listed items that we do with a pal, then McCain and his cronies should stop spitting out this UGLY LIE about Obama palling around with terrorists.

    Interestingly, during the last debate, McCain did not challenge Obama when he outlined his relationship with Ayers, which was, to be in the same Board with a few other distingushed personalities, including some top ranked Republican and US Military personals. And also, McCain did not challenge Obama when he listed on his face the people who he would associate with in his administration. If McCain had any issue with these, he should have challenged Obama’s assertions like a man. McCain lost his opportunity to keep on talking about these.

    As a final note, McCain had, and still has, in his disposition the US Senate to initiate a Senatorial investigation on Obama’s terrorist affiliations. If he strongly believes there is a case, he should do just that, and stop spreading lies about it.

    Comment by Jim, Texas — October 19, 2008 @ 11:35 pm

  24. John McCain accuses Senator Obama of being in favor of income redistribution. What Sen. McCain failed to mention is that income has been redistributed to “our friends” in the upper 2% income brackets as a matter of policy since the Reagan years. These folks have reaped all the benefits of living and doing business in the U.S. without paying their fair share. The rest of us have been too busy struggling to keep our heads above water to notice that these robber barons are buying Gulfstream jets and homes in the Caymans with one hand while they ship jobs off to China with the other. Republicans promised that jobs and rivers of money would flow downstream to the rest of us. It didn’t happen. Instead, we’re stuck with the bill, like enablers in some horribly dysfunctional family, propping up these losers. They have not created the jobs as Reagan and two Bush’s promised. Now that the house of cards has collapsed, the middle class is picking up the pieces. If Sen. Obama wants to make the tax code more fair, call it what you want. I say “bring it on.”

    Obama/Biden ’08

    Comment by Sherrill56 — October 21, 2008 @ 2:04 am

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